This post is going to address the main issue that I have identified.
Lucifer has claimed that turf demanded Vogue to prove her gender/ask for pics.
I will now address this claim:
Quotes:
Q1 Roter: "**** look how creative that girl is.. most girls i know are dumb as shit but this girl here is like Eminem, grown up with poor skills in sumo she evolved to be the best in this game. "
Q2 Durf: "1) Sure it's creative a awesome for a girl to do...anyone have proof that Vogue is a female?
It's not uncommon for males to pose as females online (attention is attention, and pretending you have tits will get an attention hog more of it)"
Q3 Vogue: "Stop being sexist. Secondly, if you want proof for this extremely irrelevant fact and at the same time have a conversation WITH me about the workings of my mind, rather than about me; get on teamspeak today. If you have the balls, that is."
Q4 Durf: "Lol, I like the challenge, but I wasn't online for the past couple days.
We can discuss the proof if you really want, though teamspeak wouldn't be enough for me. PM me if you want to talk more about that.
As for talking about you and the workings of your mind, I'm always open to talk to people (PM me).
Though I would like to point out, nothing I said was sexist. I did not discriminate you for your (supposed) sex.
Saying that it's 'awesome for a girl to do those things' only says that girls don't often do it and the fact that (supposedly) one did is what is awesome.
(**what a girl thing to do; assume I'm being sexist. LOL jk t **)"
Q5 Vogue (PM): "We have a dedicated TS we get on every day for an hour or longer (we as in a few tronners whove been friends for over 7 years now.) The adress is
www.vclclan.com, let me know when you're available to get on so you can actually speak to the person you're saying all these things about.
Don't be worried or anything, you seem a bit scared to get on... but honestly it's a lot easier to speak to someone with voice where you can properly articulate your thoughts. I'm not as scary as you think.
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Q6 Durf (PM): "Actually its not fear, its a preference.
You may not know, but I have Asperger's Syndrome.
So how I articulate my thoughts is very different than how most do it; using my voice isn't so easy.
I prefer to write or type; if I could be mute, I would.
Anyway, you're the one that wanted to talk about you...so enough about me.
Words are words, whether it's vocal or written.
Just type what you would like to say (even if you gotta speak out loud before / as you type)
What did you want to talk about?"
Q7 Vogue (PM): "I see you're not man enough to speak to the person you're gossiping about. No problem, I expected no less.
You don't know me."
Q8 Durf (PM): "You can make all the assumptions you want.
Honestly I fully expected you to bitch about it.
(you say "no problem" then get super defensive with "you don't know me")
(leave your personal issues behind when you wanna talk to me.)
Though in case you missed it, I specifically said:
"I prefer to write or type"
"What did you want to talk about?"
So I am here ready and willing to talk to you...why you haven't yet is all on you.
There's no reason left for you not to tell me what it is that you wanted to.
I'm not going to go running after you to prove myself...especially to you of all people.
I made myself clear; talk to me through PMs if you want.
Furthermore, how you call what I've been saying "gossip" is demeaning to what these forums are. Frankly, the discussions are anything but idle; at least the posts of everyone but yours have been. So I can see where you misunderstood, but I can assure you that I was quite serious.
I suggest you re-evaluate your expectations of others.
Far too much of what you say is based on assumptions and that is evident; not only from your PMs, but your posts as well.
You'd do well to think things through before speaking.
If you decide to reply, I expect you to get on with the conversation.
No excuses; get on with it already.
I would understand if you decide not to even bother
(happens when trolls realize they screwed themselves over)"
Q9 Vogue (PM): "I'm not reading all that shit. Are you still too scared to get on TS? Having ass burgers isn't an excuse unless you never leave your house to speak to people.
PS: You're the one who asked for proof whether I'm a girl or not, and now you're backing down.. typical."
Q10 Durf (PM): "You're the one that refuses to read my PM.
Just read it.
(I assume you did but realized that it's not what you wanted to hear to you ignored it)
I'm not backing down, like I said in the PM you didn't read, I'm here waiting to discuss what it was that you wanted to discuss.
Tell me about yourself.
Also I don't go out to talk to people. Sucks to be you for assuming I was "normal". So your argument for teamspeak is invalid.
As for proof, when you're actually ready to give it, I will give you instructions.
(teamspeak isn't sufficient enough to prove your sex)
Deal with it.
If you refuse to comply with this compromise, I will take it as you backing down because you have something to hide.
Read my previous PM and deal with it.
I'm getting bored of talking to you as you're just getting repetitively stubborn.
Gibbering won't get you anywhere, and it certainly won't prove anything.
I'm sorry that you bit off more than you can chew when you decided to challenge me. However, I do not pity you.
Last time I'm going to give you the respect and chance you deserve to prove yourself (I put in more than enough effort to allow you to prove yourself).
Try again."
Q11 Durf: "Never have I once asked for nudes; never was I going to.
My instructions are merely a "fool-proof" way to prove identity...a set that anyone can follow (no nudes required)."
. . .
In Q1, you will see that Roter mentions that most girls he know are dumb as shit, and that it was cool for Vogue to do what she did
for a girl. This is why in Q2, Durf specifically questions Vogues gender (does not ask for proof from Vogue) because Roter brought up her gender as a specific reason as to why it was cool.
After this, in Q3, Vogue says that if he wants proof, he should get on teamspeak her, meaning that Vogue is the person that initially wants to directly show proof of her gender, not Durf, as Durf never asked Vogue for proof of her gender.
In Q4, Durf says that they can discuss proof
if she really wants to. He then tells her to PM him if she
wants to talk more about that.
This proves that Vogue
wants to prove her gender to Durf. Durf
never temanded or asked for proof of her gender; he
gave her the option of discussing proof through PMs.
In Q5, Vogue gives Durf specific instructions as to how to reach her on Teamspeak. This once again proves that Vogue wants to
actively pursue the proof of her gender, and again,
she is the one that wants to prove it, not Durf.
In Q6, Durf asks Vogue to tell him what she wants to talk about, as Durf does not like to use Teamspeak for valid reasons.
In Q7, Vogue tells Durf he is not man enough to speak to her.
In Q8, Durf explains how Vogue is making assumptions about Durf, and how he wants her to tell him what she wants to talk about. He also clarifies that by PMing him, he expects her to discuss something, as he gave her the option to PM him if she wanted to talk about proof.
In Q9, Vogue assaults Durf for his Autism. She also says that Durf asked for proof of her gender, which I have made clear above, he did not.
In Q10, Durf explains that he is not backing down because his Autism makes it hard for him to speak. Recognizing that Vogue wants to prove her gender, he tells her that he has instructions for her to use to prove her gender. This is pivotal. Taken out of context (as it was in Vogue's original post), it appears that Durf is the one actively pursuing proof of Vogue's gender. However, as the above explanation points out, Vogue is the one who is actively pursuing to prove her gender to Durf. Durf is simply telling Vogue that he has a way for her to prove her gender, without Teamspeak, as it is obvious that
she wants to prove her gender. Durf is simply providing a way for her to do that. This proves that Durf
never pursued, demanded, or forced Vogue to prove her gender to him.
Q11 is just a clarification that Durf never asked for nudes (I also check every single one of Durf's public PMs and his forum posts. No mention of nudes whatsoever).
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