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Post by D33P on May 15, 2016 20:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by Durf on May 16, 2016 3:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by D33P on May 18, 2016 22:20:47 GMT -5
If you are wondering what happened in Nevada and the reaction, here is a collection of videos about it, courtesy of TYT:
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Post by D33P on May 19, 2016 20:40:45 GMT -5
Another good video on Nevada, with more original footage from the convention:
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Post by D33P on May 22, 2016 12:56:24 GMT -5
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Post by Nathrezim on May 31, 2016 13:35:00 GMT -5
Gary Johnson FTW (not a joke)
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Post by D33P on May 31, 2016 18:10:26 GMT -5
*Jill Stein 2016, if not Bernie.
Gary Johnson, while not an establishment politician, wants no limits on campaign donations. This is an untenable position to have because you unequivocally need to get money out of politics to have any major positive effect on the system. The fact that he does not realize this means that he is either ignorant/stupid or he cares about principal rather than being an effective policy maker.
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Post by Nathrezim on May 31, 2016 19:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by D33P on May 31, 2016 19:10:26 GMT -5
Bernie is continuing to fight for 1. a more democratic election process and 2. a more progressive platform for the Democratic Party, along with his fight to win the nomination. If Hillary gets indicted or accused of some other illegal activity by the FBI, Bernie is going to be there to take the nomination that at that point would rightfully be his, as opposed to whoever the establishment would want instead.
Bernie is not going to simply fall in line at the convenience of the establishment.
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Post by Nathrezim on May 31, 2016 19:18:28 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I've turned around on Bernie by now. Raising taxes just seems really stupid, doesn't matter why, or who is raising them. I became a libertarian, actually, I just found out I was libertarian. More than that, I'm almost an 100% Anarcho capitalist. The books I been reading, and the people I been talking to, tell me that Bernie is the worst candidate. I was like WTF, in my head he was with no doubt the best! I still don't think he's the worst, but some things he says just doesn't make sense anymore. Only way out I see now is Gary Johnson. For real. Right now I would love so much if he was elected.
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Post by D33P on May 31, 2016 19:36:54 GMT -5
Without entering into a discussion on libertarian vs progressive policy (for now), there's two points I'd like to make.
First, anyone who says that Bernie would be the worst candidate out of the current field is most likely being dishonest with who they think he is. I'd imagine they are arguing that he is a socialist/communist who would turn the US into a totalitarian regime akin to Cuba, Soviet Union, and so on. This argument is detached from reality, as Bernie has given absolutely no indication he wants to be like those countries in a way that European countries aren't. Bernie, from day one, has advocated for policies similar to those found in Canada, Australia, and the Nordic countries. These countries are a very far cry from totalitarian regimes, and have people that are motivated to work and innovate despite "socialism". In fact, Bernie's platform would most likely be seen as centrist/moderate in those countries, maybe even somewhat conservative. If people are arguing that Bernie is the worst candidate, then these countries must be some of the worst countries in the world.
Second, my point in my post about Gary Johnson still remains. Whether you want libertarian or progressive policy, you have to get money out of politics. Why? Even if you magically got government to a state where it has limited power, what is preventing the rich from buying out politicians so that they pass laws to increase the size/power of government again? If you want any real change in the government, in any direction, you should want a candidate that wants to get money out of politics.
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Post by Nathrezim on Jun 2, 2016 16:13:37 GMT -5
Really recommend learning about Libertarianism(if you haven't). Even though Gary Johnson is not the best exemple.
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Post by D33P on Jun 2, 2016 19:14:48 GMT -5
I understand why he's trying to reach out to Bernie voters (because he wants more votes) but its dishonest given that there is another third party candidate, Jill Stein, that is basically identical to the views and policies of Bernie and his supporters. Johnson and the Libertarian party, on the other hand, only share some views with Bernie supporters, and are polar opposites on many other issues such as taxes and social welfare. Johnson is a good candidate for conservatives who don't like Trump, not much else given that Jill Stein offers the same kind of protection of liberties/civil rights that libertarians do but couples it with very popular social programs.
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Post by D33P on Jun 3, 2016 20:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by Durf on Jun 4, 2016 19:17:51 GMT -5
LOOOOOOOL: "Hillary Clinton tried to have this video banned - I wonder why"
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