Smurf
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Post by Smurf on Aug 12, 2014 23:23:54 GMT -5
So since Durf silenced me on fast track I will no longer be playing fast track in the future. I may come on to spec occasionally if Durf isn't being such an a**. If u guys wanna talk or play I'll probably be at a loose dog fight or sumo/fort server.
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Smurf
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Post by Smurf on Aug 12, 2014 23:39:35 GMT -5
Well apparently durf decided to disable msg, rename, and regular chat. So I'll continue my conversation with d33p here. So I'm saying just as XD members died out cause of people, I'm saying its perfectly reasonable to quit because there are people you don't like in certain servers.
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Post by D33P on Aug 12, 2014 23:42:41 GMT -5
Smurf,
1. There were many reasons that XD died, but a lack of people in FT was not one of the main ones
2. Quitting because of a lack of people in a server is not the same as quitting because of an admin you dont like
3. If you dont like someone in a server, simply dont interact with them
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Post by Durf on Aug 13, 2014 4:58:43 GMT -5
Well apparently durf decided to disable msg, rename, and regular chat. So I'll continue my conversation with d33p here. So I'm saying just as XD members died out cause of people, I'm saying its perfectly reasonable to quit because there are people you don't like in certain servers. Smurf, I never disabled your ability to rename, or msg anyone. Also, I made sure to voice (un-silence) you. Now you're just trolling... As for "leaving Fast Track", I'm indifferent. It's your choice. Funny how the moment you lose your ability to troll is when you start having the least amount of fun; perfectly reasonable indeed >_>
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Smurf
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Post by Smurf on Aug 13, 2014 8:57:51 GMT -5
D33P based on what you told me it was the behavior of XD members that began the clan's destruction. Also, regarding the admin issue, there is only one admin there which goes to say something. The only reason I stayed in fast track was because of the community there and also the restriction on banning/kicking votes. Regarding durf's post, I just want to say I was communicating by changing names and also by using /msg until that stopped working. And I don't care about your indifference cause you are clearly trying to prolong this conversation. I have already made my decision to quit. And I don't understand how quitting is trolling. Rather both you and I should be content on the fact that we won't have to interact anymore or have this conversation ever again.
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Smurf
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Post by Smurf on Aug 13, 2014 9:00:28 GMT -5
And all this about a stupid fort joke I tried to make. I really wonder who the troll is. But we won't have to talk about this ever again.
bb durf gm
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core
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Post by core on Aug 13, 2014 12:03:03 GMT -5
I knew those admin powers would affect ft.
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Post by Durf on Aug 13, 2014 18:43:07 GMT -5
Smurf, the posts in this forum are a good example of you trolling; idgaf about your fort jokes or how you're quitting. You say something stupid like: "I was communicating by changing names and also by using /msg until that stopped working". It wouldn't have stopped working. You are flat-out lying; and if you aren't then it is a bug with your tron client that you need to report to the devs. I made myself very clear in the last post; you had all the abilities to communicate. Now stop trolling. Attempting to end the conversation on a lie won't stop me from correcting you; clearly you have hurt feelings about what happened, but that's no reason to start rumors. I say again, you're just a troll. Or is this about me listing all of your global IDs to the public (after you gave me permission to do so)? Smurf, I'm always going to call you out on your shit; try talking less shit. The truth of the matter is, core, that trolls do pose a problem when interfering with the environment used to host ranked 1v1 matches. Put simply, spam has no place there. If you want to know more about what happened, you are free to ask for details. Buying into a troll's propaganda will only mislead you. But if you want to leave too, it's not my choice. Smurf thinks FT will die out; and I'm sure he will try to make himself right about anything he can right now. If Smurf really is 4 months old, then he has no idea what he's talking about since FT is far older than he is. Also, core, I've had admin on more servers than you even knew about for longer than you've been on tron. You're talking like my admin powers are something new...they aren't. Why just a few days ago I got more powers on another server xD Point is, personal feelings had nothing to do with it (for me at least, I can't say what smurf's motivations for trolling the server was). Anyone that disrupts the playing environment of the 1v1 server (where RANKED matches are held) will be moderated accordingly. Regular FastTrack is another story entirely; that server doesn't need moderation. Smurf, if you choose to avoid certain servers, that is your choice. You are limiting yourself and no one is forcing you not to play on those servers. No amount of blame will make it my fault that you are quitting. If you really didn't want to talk about this anymore, you wouldn't instigate with further posts, you'd just let it be since none of FT matters to you anymore. "prolonging" this conversation, as you call it, is only me calling you out on your lies. Don't post such trollish remarks, and I wouldn't bother to respond. bb smurf
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core
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Post by core on Aug 14, 2014 12:35:15 GMT -5
Durf idc what he did, u dont silence ppl for talking on a game.
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Post by Durf on Aug 14, 2014 19:00:04 GMT -5
Core, I gave a pretty clear explanation of what he did, NOT to explain myself; but for you, so you can understand the conditions which would get you silenced as well if you decided to test your limits.
Like I said, regular fast track is very different than 1v1, especially when there are ranked matches happening. It was clear to everyone in the server (at the time) that Smurf was not in a mood to have a real discussion, but rather just in the mood to troll.
I will allow trolling so long as it doesn't disrupt the 1v1 environment. In other words: No amount of you guys not being okay with what I did will change anything. If you honestly fear for yourself then you must be aware of your own trollish habits; have you tried not being a troll?
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Malachi
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Post by Malachi on Aug 15, 2014 0:58:19 GMT -5
I think that Durf was right to try to ban me for 2 weeks for spamming. I was intentionally trying to annoy the players in the ranked match and the spectators as well.I'm glad Durf responded like he did, if he hadn't there would've been future problems with that /fix thing. I'm also grateful that I was able to plea bargain my way out of it (With the aid of some nubs) I know I could've just told him about the problem, but it proved way more fun to just spam until someone wised up to what I was doing. I'm glad Durf is on top of things when it comes to the 1v1 server, after all, it's going to be the battlefield for the tourney. I'm pretty sure Durf doesn't abuse his "powers", he should know that with great power, comes great responsibility. I think core hasn't been on enough servers to know the true meaning of admin abuse. I've seen much harsher admins than Durf. I believe that we think Durf's sudden use of his powers in fasttrack is what caused most of you to react like this. We are all used to zero just telling us to "ksi" and us not complying (except LouBob). It's almost like we've been taking for granted the leniency of Zero. Also, regarding the whole Smurf vs Durf thing: I think the tron community is too small for all this drama, if Smurf really loves fasttrack than he would tolerate turf being an a**". I'm pretty sure Durf doesn't have a personal problem with Smurf he just has a thing for trolls. I think Durf was only trying to prevent further distractions during the ranked matches. As long as we don't troll during the ranked matches I'm sure Durf can tolerate the rest of our shenanigans, after all he does put up with mine. :L
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Smurf
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Post by Smurf on Aug 15, 2014 22:13:20 GMT -5
Mal if I were really spamming I would've been hitting insta chats, which if it were an official match wouldn't show. Moreover, I was just trying to make a fort joke while surf retaliated with churlish remarks. I wouldn't have minded being silenced. I used /MSG instead to communicate until that stopped working. Notice I didn't continue sending you PMs. However, I'm through with fast track. Moving on to other servers. And you claim durf to have been more lenient. I've seen admins on loose dog fight servers and they would respawn you if there was some mistake and even /hug you (free points). And if you asked for a slap they would . however, I must agree that Zero has been a good admin/owner. And contrary to durf's expectations, I do not wish for fast track to die as I have met some far more honorable people than durf. Just think some other game modes are more popular than others (less likely to wane in activity). Anyway, it was nice meeting you guys and if any of you decide to branch out or have already done so, I would be more than happy to chat/play again. But for now #sumo4life Oh and guys don't be to hard on durf just because of this incident, he might ban you in rage (rage ban ?).
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Post by D33P on Aug 15, 2014 23:28:31 GMT -5
Smurf, based on what you've said, I think your dislike of Durf is unfounded, and is based on your annoyance with being silenced. I understand being irritated by being silenced, but holding a grudge against someone for something trivial like that is, well, childish.
First of all, there is no command in Tron to disable private messages. Durf doesn't have magical super powers that prevent you from messaging.
Second of all, Durf unsilenced you over 10 minutes before you left, giving you the opportunity to work things out with Durf.
Third of all, spam does NOT have to be an insta chat or something that you say repeatedly. Spam is anything irrelevant or inappropriate to the conversation. Also, everyone has a pet peeve. Durf's pet peeve happens to be trolls, or anyone that resembles a troll. You might not have be trying to troll, but you were posting irrelevant message after Durf asked you to stop, which is grounds for silencing.
Fourth of all, your view of what makes a good admin is warped. A good admin is one that enforces the rules of the server with appropriate measures, and applies this to everyone in the server. They are not meant to be someone that gives into your wants and desires. Adding onto this, a good admin is not one that frivolously uses their powers. Helping a noob by respawning him in a laid-back server is OK, but it can lead to favoritism and other players begging to be respawned. Giving a player points by hugging, without a functional reason to, also leads to favoritism, and, in a server that is even somewhat competitive, it can lead to other members becoming angered.
Admins that do these things are often inexperienced, and many times create situations that are undesirable and require backtracking on what they did. Durf does not do these kinds of things, and that is part of the reason why he is revered among other server owners, who grant him admin status, even if he does not frequent their server. They do this because Durf sticks to enforcing the rules, and doesn't let his emotions get in the way of giving the proper response to a situation.
A brief silence, after all, is a pretty lenient thing to do, considering they could just as easily kick or even ban. Even if you weren't aware of the rules, Durf made it clear that he wanted you to stop your irrelevant remarks. If an admin tells you to not do something, simply don't do it. After you failed to stop making irrelevant remarks, Durf reacted properly and briefly silenced you, the least he could have done.
In conclusion, while you may migrate to other servers as you wish, disliking Durf for his actions as admin is incorrect, as Durf is known to be a good admin, and reacted properly to your situation.
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core
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Post by core on Aug 16, 2014 11:16:10 GMT -5
D33P i don't think Smurf is holding a grudge, hes just changing game modes so he won't have to deal with Durf and his admin powers. The only time hes responding to something is when hes being talked to.
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Smurf
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Post by Smurf on Aug 16, 2014 11:20:28 GMT -5
I saw that he unsilenced me and I began to talk again. However, that stopped working so I shift esc'd and came back only to see messages and renaming disabled by the server administrator (what it told me). Regarding the reason for my ban was childish on durf's part as he banned me cause he let his emotions in the way. I was simply trying to make a fort joke about grinding since in fort you have to grind the center player or the players vote to kick/suspend you, like I have been before. Durf unaware of this and calling public fort "shit," retaliated by alleging my "nabbishness." Fed up with his perpetual comment/excuse I started to defend myself and explained to him how he was more of a nab (as durf defined it) in real life than I was. Subsequently, he then silenced me with a note saying "smurf has KSI." Normally, I would be apathetic to this but disabling messages and renaming is another story. You guys claim that durf isn't able to silence but that disabled by the server administrator note is a compelling reason to be incredulous.
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